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ER Fan Fiction History
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Laura Hale
2005-05-03 13:15:04 UTC
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Hello,

I'm wondering if anyone has a history of the ER fan fiction community?
Knows of any dates related to the community like what the early fanzines
are, when they were published, the history of slash, when some
discussions that were important in the community took place, etc.? I've
been sort of working in my spare time for my own interest on a general
history of fan fiction timeline and I'm missing information on a lot of
fan fiction communities... and I want to know. :)

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the location of the visual timeline I have... and
http://www.writersu.com/goodd/Bigger%20History%20of%20FanFiction%20-%20Detailed.html
is that timeline in text format.

Any and all dates much appreciated. :)

Laura
Huntersglenn
2005-05-03 16:46:33 UTC
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Laura,

As far as I know, there are no fanzines totally devoted to ER fan
fiction. There are probably some ER fan fiction stories that have been
included in fanzines, but since I've never bought a fanzine, I don't
know for certain.

With regard to ER slash fan fiction, the first writer to really make a
mark in that genra was WPAdmirer, with her "Chicago" series of stories
featuring John Carter and Walter Skinner from "The X-Files"
(http://hometown.aol.com/wpadmirer/). A lot of the early ER fan fiction
archives are now closed, so finding dates for them and the stories
posted there might be difficult, but I know that ER fan fiction predates
my first story, which was written back in 1998 - and which was NOT slash
(so you all can stop laughing now), but was a Carter/Anna Del Amico
story, "The Man Who Held Her Heart."

I haven't checked out all of the slash archives for ER fan fiction, but
I have the general impression that there's a bit more femslash out there
than m/m slash. I do run a yahoo group for male slash, ER Realm Of
Slash (ERROS), and it's been around since October 21, 2000. A trip
through the archives here at a.t.e.creative should give you the date
when this community was begun -- I can remember it being started, but
can't remember the date <g>.

I have some of the older archives bookmarked, although I haven't checked
them recently and can't guarantee that they're still around. If you're
interested, let me know and I'll check those URLs for you -- there might
be some dates listed on them as to when the stories were posted.

Hope that helps,

Cathy
Post by Laura Hale
Hello,
I'm wondering if anyone has a history of the ER fan fiction community?
Knows of any dates related to the community like what the early fanzines
are, when they were published, the history of slash, when some
discussions that were important in the community took place, etc.? I've
been sort of working in my spare time for my own interest on a general
history of fan fiction timeline and I'm missing information on a lot of
fan fiction communities... and I want to know. :)
http://www.writersu.com/goodd/Bigger%20History%20of%20FanFiction.GIF is
the location of the visual timeline I have... and
http://www.writersu.com/goodd/Bigger%20History%20of%20FanFiction%20-%20Detailed.html
is that timeline in text format.
Any and all dates much appreciated. :)
Laura
Laura Hale
2005-05-03 20:49:26 UTC
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Post by Huntersglenn
Laura,
As far as I know, there are no fanzines totally devoted to ER fan
fiction. There are probably some ER fan fiction stories that have been
included in fanzines, but since I've never bought a fanzine, I don't
know for certain.
With regard to ER slash fan fiction, the first writer to really make a
mark in that genra was WPAdmirer, with her "Chicago" series of stories
featuring John Carter and Walter Skinner from "The X-Files"
(http://hometown.aol.com/wpadmirer/).
mmm. I hunted down dates. I think, based on what I was finding, she
was writing around 1998 to 2000 that series?
Post by Huntersglenn
A lot of the early ER fan fiction
archives are now closed, so finding dates for them and the stories
posted there might be difficult, but I know that ER fan fiction predates
my first story, which was written back in 1998 - and which was NOT slash
(so you all can stop laughing now), but was a Carter/Anna Del Amico
story, "The Man Who Held Her Heart."
That's one of the problems I am having with numerous communities. No
one seems to have histories of anything. I don't think anyone has any
history of anything. Certainly people have studied it, written about
it, done textual analysis of it, studied the legal and ethical aspects
of it... but no one seems to have done a comprehensive history of it. :/
And I don't think anyone would really have a good place to start. The
thing is so convuluted and messy and trying to figure out what is
important, what matters, what patterns exist, etc. is interesting and
challenging... and source material just ups and disappears. :(
Post by Huntersglenn
I haven't checked out all of the slash archives for ER fan fiction, but
I have the general impression that there's a bit more femslash out there
than m/m slash.
Huh. Wow. Based on my watching of ER, I would never have guessed that
ER fen were doing that... :)
Post by Huntersglenn
I do run a yahoo group for male slash, ER Realm Of
Slash (ERROS), and it's been around since October 21, 2000.
*adds date*
Post by Huntersglenn
A trip
through the archives here at a.t.e.creative should give you the date
when this community was begun -- I can remember it being started, but
can't remember the date <g>.
It was in the FAQ for the community and I thought to go looking after I
posted and you replied... *hums* So that date is now added. :)
Post by Huntersglenn
I have some of the older archives bookmarked, although I haven't checked
them recently and can't guarantee that they're still around. If you're
interested, let me know and I'll check those URLs for you -- there might
be some dates listed on them as to when the stories were posted.
Any dates or any trends like 1997-1999, the year that ER fen wrote
pairing x and MPreg or 2002, the year the community shrunk... those sort
of trends would be nice to know too. :) They don't need to be exact and
can be based on guesses. Just sort of interesting to know what is
happening and when... Er. Yes.

But any additional dates are good. :)
Post by Huntersglenn
Hope that helps,
Yep, it does. Thanks for replying. :)
Post by Huntersglenn
Cathy
Laura
Huntersglenn
2005-05-03 23:06:21 UTC
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Post by Laura Hale
mmm. I hunted down dates. I think, based on what I was finding, she
was writing around 1998 to 2000 that series?
That should be about right. I know that her having the guts to post ER
slash was what helped me get up my nerve to post my stories <g>. I
think that WP posted here, at a.t.e.c., from the beginning, but that was
sooo long ago, that I don't really trust my memory. You might have
better luck with her posting dates on some of the X-Files slash sites (I
know she was nominated for at least one award in the X-Files fandom for
that series).
Post by Laura Hale
That's one of the problems I am having with numerous communities. No
one seems to have histories of anything. I don't think anyone has any
history of anything. Certainly people have studied it, written about
it, done textual analysis of it, studied the legal and ethical aspects
of it... but no one seems to have done a comprehensive history of it. :/
And I don't think anyone would really have a good place to start. The
thing is so convuluted and messy and trying to figure out what is
important, what matters, what patterns exist, etc. is interesting and
challenging... and source material just ups and disappears. :(
At the time, it wasn't something that we were thinking about <g>. I
know that personally, every time I make a correction to a story, I get a
new date for it in Word, so for a lot of stories I can't even go back
and look in Windows Explorer to see when I wrote them. I did eventually
adopt the habit of putting the date in the chapters, and that's helped a
lot <g>.
Post by Laura Hale
Huh. Wow. Based on my watching of ER, I would never have guessed that
ER fen were doing that... :)
The first fem slash stories that I remember seeing on the internet were
stories featuring Maggie Doyle, who was the first character that was
openly gay on the show. Of course, once the whole Kerry Weaver/Kim
Legaspi relationship happened, a lot more fem slash was written, and not
just for Kerry/Kim, but for other female characters from the show as
well. I have a web site for ERROS, and in the links section are the ER
femslash sites that I know about (www.errealmofslash.com), but I don't
think that those sites have the early Maggie Doyle stories. I remember
seeing those on a Jorja Fox site, but it's not one I bookmarked.
Post by Laura Hale
It was in the FAQ for the community and I thought to go looking after I
posted and you replied... *hums* So that date is now added. :)
ERFANFICTIONZONE is a yahoo group that has a huge archive of fan
fiction. They've been around since August 6, 2000. Another group that
I'm a member of (also at yahoo groups), is Noahfics, which hosts fan
fiction that's based on any character by Noah Wyle (most of the fics are
ER) and it was started April 20, 1999. I remember there being a Kerry
Weaver group from around that time period (1999/2000) as well, but I
have no idea if it's still around (the URL I had for the web archive is
no longer valid).
Post by Laura Hale
pairing x and MPreg or 2002, the year the community shrunk... those sort
of trends would be nice to know too. :) They don't need to be exact and
can be based on guesses. Just sort of interesting to know what is
happening and when... Er. Yes.
Trends? Well, I can't really say that the ER fan fiction community has
shrunk, because it's never been huge to begin with <g>. Doug and Carol
stories were very popular up to the time that the show reunited the
couple. After Kerry Weaver became a more featured character, stories
about her past were popular for a while. More of the femslash was
written after Kerry and Kim became an item, although not all of it was
Kerry/Kim, as I mentioned before. The majority of the m/m slash
features John Carter, although other authors have made valiant attempts
to write more stories for the other men <g>. There are several authors
who aren't really members of the ER fan fiction community, but who
mainly write in other fandoms (with this, I'm not talking about people
who started out writing ER fics and have moved on to other fandoms, but
rather people who were writing other fandoms and have also written some
pretty damn good ER fan fics).

Fics exploring the past of Luka Kovac are very popular (see
http://lukafic.tripod.com/) and have been ever since his character first
appeared on the show.

Definitely nothing in the realm of MPreg <g>. Adult centered ER fan
fiction has been around for a while, and there's even an archive for it,
although I don't know how many people post their stories there lately
(http://www.geocities.com/nfanfic/). There's no date on the site as to
when it began, but Ruth, the owner, can hopefully help you with that.


Cathy
A***@aol.com
2005-05-15 19:59:50 UTC
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If you're wondering on the age of slash as a general fanfiction type, I
know it was around from the time of the first Star Trek Conventions in
the mid 70's. I seem to remember a kid giving me one at a New York
show that they had pick up without realizing what it was, it was done
as camp, but still...eew. I had friends who were very heavy into
writing it. I never saw the fascination myself, and it seemed to run
across every fandom including Saturday morning cartoons.
Ghostbusters....
Huntersglenn
2005-05-23 03:02:25 UTC
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Laura,

I don't know if you're still looking for "ER" related
information/history, but I found one of the older archives for the fandom.

http://members.aol.com/PeggaWegga/er.html

I haven't yet checked to see if all of the story links are still good,
but the last time the archive was updated was 1998, so it should be
useful for your timeline.

Cathy

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